Here's the whole argument. It's definitely worth a listen:
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Sea Breeze
Dr Gary habermas is a evangelical Christian so not independent.
That is nonsense. No Real Scotsman fallacy.
His Phd. Thesis on the Resurrection was approved by non believers.
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Lines you would never hear from a Jehovah's Witness
by Ron.W. ina slightly tongue in cheek, but also serious roundup of jw speak and why trying to reason with them is like trying to chip through concrete with a plastic spoon.. how many can you think of??.
elder: 'yes.
i read through the material you asked me to at your judicial meeting - you're right we're both in a cult!
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"All our righteousnesses are like filthy rags" - Is. 64: 6
"It is appointed unto man once to die and then to face Judgment" - Hebrews 27: 9
Scripture says that the new covenant is "for the forgiveness of sins", not heavenly rulership positions.- Mt. 26: 27-28
"By your works shall no flesh be justified" - Romans 3: 20
These 4 scriptures destroy the belief system of JW's. That's why you'll never hear them quote these.
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I agree. The whole thing was a pretty big affair because Jesus said he was God and then predicted that he would raise himself from the dead....while he was dead. Something ONLY God could do. Claims don't get any bigger than that. Lots of people have claimed to be God and most everyone acts like they are God from time to time. But, Jesus actually proved it. That's why it's such a big deal. The trajectory of the whole world changed after that.... pretty quickly.
Dr. Gary Habermas’ 12 Minimal Facts on the Resurrection are:
- Jesus died by Roman crucifixion.
- He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
- Soon afterward, the disciples were discouraged, bereaved, and despondent, having lost hope.
- Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
- The disciples had experiences that they believed were actual appearances of the risen Jesus.
- Due to these experiences, the disciples’ lives were thoroughly transformed, even being willing to die for this belief.
- The proclamation of the resurrection took place very early, at the beginning of church history.
- The disciples’ public testimony and preaching of the resurrection took place in the city of Jerusalem, where Jesus had been crucified and buried shortly before.
- The Gospel message centered on the death and resurrection of Jesus.
- Sunday was the primary day for gathering and worshipping.
- James, the brother of Jesus and former skeptic, was converted when, he believed, he saw the risen Jesus.
- Just a few years later, Saul of Tarsus (Paul) became a Christian believer due to an experience that he believed was an appearance of the risen Jesus.”
The above facts are accepted by the majority of scholars who publish in this area. I think they are difficult if not impossible to explain away without Jesus being raised from the dead. Here is a discussion of each of these facts and how they relate to that event.
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Sea Breeze
The Watchtower doesn't believe that Jesus was resurrected. They believe that Jesus was re-created and his body turned to gases.
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Beautiful photos
by LoveUniHateExams inso, i thought i'd start a thread about any beautiful photos of places you've been to, or just beautiful photos.. i'll go first .... .
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copyright: daniel burton.. this is bøur, a little village in the faeroe islands, population 74.. i've never been there but i'd love to visit one day.
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Springtime Bluebonnets in Texas:
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Sea Breeze
Most Christians simply believe that the Resurrection really happened and that is the simple foundation for their faith. Churches are there so that like-minded people can hear the word of God, be encouraged and fellowship with one-another.
Scripture says that perfect love throws out fear. So, if you are in a church that uses fear to control, you are in the wrong church. It's pretty smple to figure out. I've attended dozens of churches over the years and have never encountered ANYTHING like the Wtachtower. It is a fake church and would be condemned by Jesus every bit as much as he condemned the Pharisees. It is an abomination.
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I am not redsetter, here is his message for you
by redsetter2 inyou read this correctly.
as i explained in an earlier post, i am a "ghostwriter" for the original resetter.
i'm a woman, a pimo regular pioneer working for my friend who was redsetter1 on reddit.
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they just relaxed the preaching work and recommended we just engage in casual conversation. Now they're bitching to the elders in their latest letter that not enough bible studies are being started!
I must admit that it is entertaining and gratifying to see them implode.
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Are JWs becoming more militant?
by Vidqun inafter their courtcase in norway going wrong, splane actually warns lawmakers that they will be in big trouble if they don't change their ways.
he's referring to the preaching work, which has nothing to do with the case.
it's all about their treatment of ex-jws.
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I have heard them described in Baptist circles as "the devil's Marine Corp."
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I am not redsetter, here is his message for you
by redsetter2 inyou read this correctly.
as i explained in an earlier post, i am a "ghostwriter" for the original resetter.
i'm a woman, a pimo regular pioneer working for my friend who was redsetter1 on reddit.
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Sea Breeze
I for one don’t believe there is a ten year, five year, or any year plan; the GB is too stupid for that.
Normally, I would agree with that assessment, but the GB has too much money for "stupid". I agree with the theory that their legal department is calling most of the shots now.
Where there is a carcass, the lawyers will be there to feed on it.
